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Max MSP Workshop at IComputer Denver
by Marc on Aug.18, 2011, under Documentation, Knowledge, Locally, Meet-Ups and Gatherings
Thank You everyone for coming out to our Max/MSP/Jitter workshop hosted by David Alberto Viramontes at iComputer Denver.

It is so great to see some of the pros sharing the knowledge with our User Group and others who are interested in learning ground breaking and modern technology. This is one of many classes we have hosted with iComputer Denver and there are so many more to come!
David is is one of many great people we have met who helps make out community so awesome. In this workshop he is bringing in the basic ideas of working in Max and the language in general. This is the same core knowledge and approach required to work in Max for Live (M4L). Patching, triggering events, handling responses, making audio and video do stuff to meet your specific needs.
There are many great applications out there that rely on Max partially or completely. A few great examples include:
- Livid Instruments Editor and CellDNA (VJ software) – both written in Max.
- MLRV from Parallelogram running as an independent audio platform
- Many of the Monome applications accessible via the community section
- Robert Henke (Monolake) released the Granulator in 2011 – a very amazing application.
Just to name a few!
So keep on warping and dropping the hash-bangs. If you have an idea we should present on or want to present please contact Marc marc [at] CreativeElectronica [dot] com
515 or Bringing Colorado Ableton to Dubspot NYC
by Marc on Aug.09, 2011, under News
On Wednesday August 10, 2011 I (Marc) will be paying Pat, Nate and the whole Dubspot NYC crew a visit. So exciting!
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August 2011 Meet Up Decompression – Vinyl (main floor)
by Marc on Aug.09, 2011, under Documentation, Locally, Meet-Ups and Gatherings, News
On the heels of the Ill Gates workshop we had a meet up. The flyer was AWESOME:
Our Meet Up (free 18+) was held at one of the premier clubs in North America Vinyl – so super-dooper thanks to SoCo, Doug, Ronnie, and this awesome room!
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The Meet Up Formula – 2011
by Marc on Jul.08, 2011, under Documentation, Resources
In producing presentations for our Meet Up group on Ableton and having a few years behind us here’s where we stand on the meet up formula. (subject to change)
The Three Part Approach – Beginner, Intermediate, and End Game
Beginner : A presentation for new comers to Ableton, something like warping basics, how sends/returns work, or something of that nature. This level is intended to be approachable by someone who is new to the platform and wants to learn. These presentations should allow tome for questions either after, during, or in a break out group aka “patio session”.
Intermediate : Presentations in this realm are intended for anyone with some mileage on Ableton. A perfect example of this level of presentation is Mark Mosher’s presentation on VST at our May 2011 meet up. Visit his site here to get more! A presentation of this nature should should walk the line allowing beginner Ableton users to understand essentially what is going on while also seeing the true power of Ableton available to them. At the same time experienced users may already know the topic but generally will learn something(s) new.
End Game : Get freaky! This is the best place to introduce cross platform technology, M4L craziness, fringe ideas, practices that are not main stream, and other advanced topics in Ableton and Electronic music. This topic stays pretty wide open.
Each one of these presentations we try to keep to 20-40 minutes each. Longer presentations and ideas are welcome, but can drag for those who are not a fan of the topic.
Other elements that work well – as a host or presenter – introduce yourself to everyone as talk to everyone. Be visible through the night. Nod at the dumb stuff the same as the smart stuff. Think like a politician:
“Nice doggie” (where’s a stick?)
Petting Zoo : As new controllers come available bring them in for show and tell. We did a HUGE petting zoo with 10 controllers and 7 presenters. That was intense. One or two controllers per meet up is better.
Some three years into this stuff and I still have over 50 presentation ideas in the cue! Some are easy to pull off, others require resources and collaboration. There is no end in sight!
Finally – Keep it FREE!! If people are donating their time to present entry shoud also be free – this is what builds community!
However – if there is a curriculum and a set of goals to be taught – do a workshop and charge for it! Providing lessons (private or otherwise) is how musicians have fed themselves for centuries. Ableton and electronic music is just a current itteration of music and technology. There was a time in music where the Violin was new tech.
Think about it and see everyone soon!
More on Control Voltage from Ableton – User Support!
by Marc on Jun.15, 2011, under News, Resources
User briel just sent me a message on the use of Ableton as a control voltage source for the Slim Phatty. Here is the original video:
briel asked:
… I can’t seem to figure out where the automation that you’re using in the video is. I’m assuming it’s some sort of audio effect. Do you think you could go step by step of what you did?
This is actually a lot simpler than it comes off in the video.
First off I am not using any audio effect (in the strict traditional sense). Only Volume automation. Back to that in a minute…
Volume “changes” is what the Slim Phatty translates into CV instructions. Think of it this way, the Slim Phatty is listening to the volume of your line level signal. Normally some action applied to the volume changes the level of the signal from nothing to max. In this case Ableton (or any DAW / similar program) will change the volume for you via automation (an instruction set) . So the Slim Phatty is ‘listening’ to the loudness of the modulated and now incoming (to the Slim Phatty) CV signal aka volume.
I know it sounds weird, but using a broad stroke explanation -- CV and volume are the same. Speakers move via a modulation of voltage (passed into an electromagnetic system). Loud speakers need an amplifier. The amp takes the weak and wimpy Line Level Voltage and adds more juice to the signal (amplifies). This line level voltage is how volume is expressed in an (non-amplified) analog system (such as loud speakers). This is the same voltage used for the Slim Phatty CV inputs.
This is generally an industry standard and is also why headphones and audio players all operate the same and can be swapped as needed. So your Denon Mixer will provide the same output signal (voltage and modulation) as my Echo Audio interface for Ableton -- they are all Line Level!
I am moving fast and sloppy on Line Level signal. Please go over to this Wikipedia post on Line Level to learn more and see how far I wandered.
The expected incoming CV signal should be between 0 (zero) and 5 volt (DC for the record). At 0 (zero) there is no volume on the outbound audio, at 5 volts you have full volume on the outbound audio. Outbound audio is the signal coming out of your audio interface connected to Ableton.

Ableton Master Volume
Taking the above paragraph a little further, if you were to change the master volume fader in Ableton (image to the right) you would in turn change the audible volume and actually change voltage applied to the outbound signal. So 50% volume is 2.5 volts, 100% volume is 5 volts (not that simple in reality, but close enough for the point to be made).
So the trick is volume automation -- this can come from any number of sources. The master fader, the channel fader, arrangement automation, a switch or potentiometer in the analog audio signal, or clip envelopes.
I use clip envelopes. Here’s the fast walk through for a wave file. These steps are almost identical for MIDI, synth, VSTi’s:
- Click on a “cell” aka audio clip in session view
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One Audio Clip Selected
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- View the clip wave form (shift+tab is the shortcut to toggle the 2 views)
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Clip Details
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- Click on the “E” to access the envelope properties of the clip.
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Envelope Properties
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- Select “Clip” then “Volume”from the drop downs
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Clip->Volume
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- Modulate the envelope as you wish (pen tool or normal tool, each has pros and cons)
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Envelope Modulation
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- Route the track now modulated to the correct output to use as Control Voltage
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Route to CV input
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That is it.
The envelope modulation will change the volume aka voltage in the outbound audio signal following the clip envelope instructions. Clip envelopes are used because they are easy to trigger from Ableton and allow you to manipulate much information in a simple encapsulated unit.
Some important tips!
Don’t get fancy. Get this dialed in using a solid noisy over driven wave form. Then apply the envelope. This will allow you to hear and feel the cause and effect cycle of this exercise. If you use wimpy samples (quiet) or want to use natural dynamics wait until you get the VERY LOUD ENVELOPE MODULATION UNDER CONTROL!
Don’t waste time on effects. They don’t have the impact here like you may be used to. They will only effect the volume in the scope of the Slim Fatty. I am not saying NO to effects, but there is little need to stress your CPU for CV (generally)
Make your early attempts SIMPLE! Seriously -- there is a lot of silly things you can do wrong that will make this fail. Once you “get it” you will never forget!
Work with Pitch or Filter CV inputs first. They are the most easy to hear in the system. Get the basics under control first. Understand your levels, know your gear.
YES! You will need one channel per CV output! In my example(video above) channel 1 and 2 are the Left/Right stereo mix. Output channel 3 is the CV signal (a wave file with clip envelopes applied)
Hope that helps!
Link to example file/project (Ableton 8.2, good back to 8.1.3)
--Marc
Simple Envelope Tip for Difficult Loops
by Marc on Jun.10, 2011, under Knowledge, Resources
I reworking some Beastie Boys classics I found a track that was perfect but the 8 measure loop I liked was not so friendly.
When the sample folded back to the beginning there was a noticeable loop repeat – volume and tone change. Here is one easy solution to the problem using Ableton’s clip envelope. In this case, just the volume is modulated.
The method is nothing more than using a 1/4 note deepening envelope “divots” at the end so when the loop folds over the volume and tone change does not become noticeable. Take a look :

Now take a listen to the finished track via this Soundcloud sample:
This simple method can save considerable time in avoiding a larger fight with the loop in reconstruction, massive envelope etch-a-sketching. This loop is not perfect (yet) but this easy technique can move a mix ahead very quickly.
–Marc
DJNSM
Digging in the Crate – some photos fomr past meet ups (not too far past)
by Marc on Jun.05, 2011, under Documentation

This is one of many views, we love our room so much! (yhe Walnut)

Chase Presenting (compression discussion)

Circle Six - Mike has deep ideas on compression.

Another Great photo (James here)
APC40 Template pre-party (Friday June 3 2011)
by Marc on Jun.01, 2011, under Knowledge, Locally, Meet-Ups and Gatherings, Releases
This is a super casual hand on pre-release of my template. I will be at Lucid Gallery (719 West 8th Denver Google Maps) at 4:30 to hang and introduce people to this method. (I playing music in the evening)
This is specifically a gathering to get this template in people’s hands and into a discipline for live performance. This template uses the platter (aka 9 box) method. You will need to use this method for the template.
Platter defined : 4 column wide *.als set containing mastered, correctly leveled wave files with no effects, no send/return, and no MIDI. WAVE FILES only! Each platter should be “Collect All And Saved” (see below)
A platter looks like this:

Notice : Only wave files, no FX, nothing – just the wave file with warping. Left to right, each column:
- X : eXtra channel – good for what ever you need!
- M : Melody channel : mids, melody, etc.
- B : Bass or percussion and support (depends on your genre – no bass proper in Techno usually)
- D : Drum track – this is the main beat.
Everything in the template uses this 4-wide XMBD method.
You will need to COLLECT ALL AND SAVE EVERYTHING TO THE PROJECT FOLDER!
File > Collect All and Save > yes to everything!
Bring your laptop, platter file(s), and your APC!
Allowed actions in platters (technically speaking):
- Follow actions
- Warping and warp algorithm settings
- Envelope modulation on the sample
- Launch settings
- Loop/start/stop settings
Keep it simple – trust me!
The template is built in Ableton 8.2.2 and I have tested it back to 8.1.3 – I suspect it is barley compatible with lite/free versions of Ableton (untested).
The template is SOLID and uses ghost tracks for bussing, drag-and-drop *.als file methods, the APC control surface, dummy clips, and chain selection.
But don’t worry – you only need to have you platters ready! No need to go under the hood until you are ready! Please contact me via Facebook OR email if you want to come – this is SUPER CASUAL!
I repeat, SUPER CASUAL!
marc [at] CreativeElectronica [dot] com is the email!


